tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post6932222516981359642..comments2023-09-23T11:16:00.352+02:00Comments on The Franco-American Flophouse has moved: Checkpoints USAVictoria FERAUGEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16319699673885400472noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-75381916133487734102013-10-16T21:28:17.612+02:002013-10-16T21:28:17.612+02:00Last night at midnight, alone outside of an interc...Last night at midnight, alone outside of an intercity bus, at the Oslo bus station, 200 km from the border, some border customs guy sticks his face in my face and starts asking me questions. He is civilian-clothed, and holding his customs badge out from around his neck.<br />Seems like the wrong Place for this to happen, so I tell him (self in Swedish, him in Norwegian) no---that he better go and get the police and ask me those kinds of questions.<br />This, of course, does not get him out of my face, so he threatends to hold me up outside of the bus, to which I tell him to go get the police.<br />He sticks his face in closer, to which I reply correctly, "you smell like alchol". To which he responds "ok, that's it, now come and stand over here". "no". Here comes his colleague, with his badge, which I look at a Little, and accept that maybe they are not just a couple of robbers masquerading as police.<br />Next, they start asking me questions about how much Money I am carrying, ask to see my id and Money, and then frisk me.<br />All of this happening because of the soccer match that evening between Norway and Iceland, and all of the mass transportation held up at the border making all of the mass transport late.<br />So, I've spent the evening, confirming that indeed the Norwegian constitution doesn't allow frisking for no reason. I doubt if I will ever find anything regarding whether the customs police can work 200 km inland or what the Norwegian constitution says about such, if anything. <br />The police state is everywhere, it's only a matter of what violent Culture background has led them up to the Point where they are, so that they can release their animal instincts at that time.<br />So, next time I meet up with them, I know now what crap I can give back to them as long as I am willing to risk being held up from getting on the bus and from listening to codependent shit from the rest of the bus passengers.<br />See you in the Parliament next time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-19129830698995350742013-03-09T16:51:14.595+01:002013-03-09T16:51:14.595+01:00@Sally, I know what you mean. I had my residency ...@Sally, I know what you mean. I had my residency card stolen at one point and was very nervous until I was able to get to the prefecture and report it. I was given a paper that I kept in a safe place until I got a replacement.<br /><br />The really funny thing about the driver's license as ID in the US is that it is a pretty unreliable as a way of proving identity (much less citizenship). My husband, for example, who is not a US citizen, does not possess a Green Card and has not lived in the US in many many years has a US driver's license which he regularly has renewed. Why? Well, why not? :-)Victoria FERAUGEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16319699673885400472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-49725955894805677462013-03-09T16:24:21.578+01:002013-03-09T16:24:21.578+01:00I've been stopped twice in Germany, both times...I've been stopped twice in Germany, both times decades ago. Once they were actually checking for drunk drivers, but first asked for ID and driver's license. The other time was a police roadblock immediately after one of the RAF terrorist bombings. Ancient history, really.<br /><br />Not having any ID at all for the month after I renounced my US citizenship and was waiting for the CLN to come through made me nervous though. I carried a bunch of photocopies of documents from the German naturalization process around and postponed a hiking trip in France. <br /><br />What I think is strange about Americans' "freedom from IDs" ideas is that they are not really free. In the US you have to show some sort of ID, usually a driver's license, very frequently. There is no legal requirement to have one or carry it around, but life is quite inconvenient if you don't. And the idea that foreigners in the US are supposed to have "papers" (passport with visa), while US citizens aren't legally required to have IDs, is just plain weird and dysfunctional.<br /><br />Americans even have to go through a special registration process in order to vote and there's all kinds of hoopla about hurdles set up there. If they had the continental European system, this would be a non-issue. If you've got your national ID card and are old enough, you can vote.Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-48325387512840382652013-03-08T07:11:28.129+01:002013-03-08T07:11:28.129+01:00@Christophe, It appears to be both which is kind ...@Christophe, It appears to be both which is kind of funny when you consider that the problem of the undocumented is being solved all by itself. During the Great Recession most "illegals" left the US or were deported. As for the future the major sending countries to the US are undergoing demographic change. Mexico's birthrate is going down. The problem the US may face one of these days is that other countries won't have people to send any more. With a US birthrate that is under replacement what will the US do then? Start begging people to immigrate? :-)<br /><br />@Sally, You're absolutely right about France and other countries in Europe. I've never EVER been stopped here though it is a possibility. <br />What I find really funny about this though is that 20 years ago my fellow Americans looked at my situation and said, "See, this is why America is great. THIS is why WE are a free country. We don't have to have submit to such things because this is the United States." I guess Americans have decided to be more like Europe and that's fine but then explain to me what is today, right now, so darn special about the US? If you don't have any more freedom (or these days any more opportunity) in the US as compared to other places, then why bother to be an American?Victoria FERAUGEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16319699673885400472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-53654154445164605402013-03-07T23:07:37.370+01:002013-03-07T23:07:37.370+01:00Victoria,
Were you never required to show your ID...Victoria,<br /><br />Were you never required to show your ID (passport) when checking into a hotel in France? Aren't you legally required to carry your ID around with you in France? Even with the Schengen agreement, they still sometimes check IDs at the old border stations between EU member states.<br /><br />If you can accept this in France, why is it a problem when it occurs in the US?<br /><br />Maybe these checks are just "actionism", the government putting on a show of being vigilant. They may not prevent all terrorists or illegal aliens, but they do make either activity marginally more difficult. The politicians think this means they are "doing something against crime".Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-85503537787467481712013-03-07T17:00:02.778+01:002013-03-07T17:00:02.778+01:00I might be wrong, but I think these checkpoints ha...I might be wrong, but I think these checkpoints have more to do with fighting illegal immigration than finding terrorists.<br />Regardless, 9/11 was a blow to America. The terrorists took much more than the lives in the trade center. American lost a lot of freedom as a result. Leaders should have been more careful in the response to that event, in order to preserve the rights and constitution of the US.<br />We gave up a lot of freedom in the name of security, but are we that much more safer. I am not sure of the return on this "investment".<br />America is not the same country I emigrated to 13 years ago. And it has not changed for the better.<br />This is just sad.Christophenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-66993274361860040682013-03-07T16:02:38.491+01:002013-03-07T16:02:38.491+01:00I'm not sure the US was ever the free country ...I'm not sure the US was ever the free country that was so strongly pounded into our brains.<br /><br />Everyone loves to talk about the founding fathers. Yet, many of those freedom loving men were slave owners.<br /><br />In fact, eight of the first 10 Presidents owned slaves. <br /><br />Even "Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry owned slaves.<br /><br />US history developed from that dichotomy and hypocrisy. So, I'm not sure we should be surprised at checkpoints, drones, full body scanners, FATCA and more today.<br /><br />I think I began to come to that realization after I spent a year in Canada attending school when I was 18. I returned to US just a few weeks before four students were killed at Kent State by National Guards during a Vietnam War protest. <br /><br />Vietnam (including having a cousin and high school friends killed or maimed there) and Kent State State changed my view of US forever. <br /><br />I walked by World Trade Center construction sites every day on my way to and from work. Huge banners demanded America: Love It Or Leave It.<br /><br />So, I did just that. I returned to Canada, became a citizen as soon as I was eligible and have never considered returning to US to live.<br /><br />If only US truly were the land we were told about. It's not. Blazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12871285356307431578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-13380193254986415502013-03-07T14:32:15.679+01:002013-03-07T14:32:15.679+01:00You've got to be kidding me. I don't know...You've got to be kidding me. I don't know what to say - that is just unbelievable. So the Constitution is basically suspended in the U.S.? <br /><br />What do I get the feeling sometimes it's over and done and the terrorists won.Victoria FERAUGEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16319699673885400472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2424131704277823220.post-62226332138540669552013-03-07T10:46:17.813+01:002013-03-07T10:46:17.813+01:00actually Homeland Security can conduct internal ch...actually Homeland Security can conduct internal checkpoints within a 100 miles of a point of entry. In addition to the zones on your map draw 100 mile circles around every city in which international flights arrive.<br />St-Louis, Denver etc. They would cover nearly 100% of the USAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com